> Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

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Sockpuppet
#26 2019-08-07 02:39:56

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

RockHardConservative wrote:

You watch too many stupid jew movies.  People would just act "not racist".

Which is the entire point. Thanks for acknowledging my brilliant idea.

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RockHardConservative
#27 2019-08-07 02:43:35

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Sockpuppet wrote:

Which is the entire point. Thanks for acknowledging my brilliant idea.

Not really, they would still be racist like most intelligent people are.

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Tom Leykis
#28 2019-08-07 04:21:41

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Sockpuppet wrote:

There is no right to freedom of speech in the private sector.

Not if you ask the NLRB.  They maintain you can say anything derogatory about your employer, as long as you lie about organizing a union.

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Ho Chi Minh
#29 2019-08-07 11:55:03

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Sockpuppet wrote:

There is no right to freedom of speech in the private sector.

That is not necessarily true.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/505/377/

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Sockpuppet
#30 2019-08-07 14:38:35

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Ho Chi Minh wrote:

That is not necessarily true.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/505/377/

This case has nothing to do with private sector employment.

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Sockpuppet
#31 2019-08-07 15:15:27

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

time is the master wrote:

this thread is stupud - at will employment means the employee or employer can just walk away - if the employee wants to sue the employer because they feel that they have been discriminated against then they should go for it - companies like google are already firing people that dont fit in to their culture - companies can go right ahead and do that and will pay the consequences - if the OP wants to go start some gestapo like company that practices radical ideology as company practice then he should go for it

sadpineapple

It depends on the state. But in almost every state a company can fire you for any reason at all or no reason at all. The only exceptions being the federally protected classes. In Illinois an employer could fire you because they don’t like the sound of your voice or the color of your car and there would be zero legal recourse. This is the definition of at-will employment.

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Phillip_McCavity
#32 2019-08-07 15:21:57

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Sockpuppet wrote:

It depends on the state. But in almost every state a company can fire you for any reason at all or no reason at all. The only exceptions being the federally protected classes. In Illinois an employer could fire you because they don’t like the sound of your voice or the color of your car and there would be zero legal recourse. This is the definition of at-will employment.

Its illegal federally to make racist statements at work, too.

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Diarrhetrius Brown
#33 2019-08-07 15:48:16

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

I've been retired for over 5 years now so I don't work anyway.

But when I worked, where I worked, we never hired bucks. Never! As an employer just how stupid would you have to be to hire one?

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Phillip_McCavity
#34 2019-08-07 16:04:16

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Tashfiend Garlique wrote:

Really? How many years in prison can you get for it, Phildo?

https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/ … -facts.cfm

Harassment Based on National Origin

    Ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct because of nationality are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities. Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's foreign accent or comments like, "Go back to where you came from, " whether made by supervisors or by co-workers.

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BritneySpearsPussy
#35 2019-08-07 16:06:12

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

What about those black folks who hate anyone of a darker shade than they are?  (See Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" to see an almost dictionary definition of racism in the black community.)  Are they racist?  Or how about German jews who consider themselves much more cultured and superior than the shtetl jews of Eastern Europe?  Or those Japanese who think that Koreans are a much lower form of humanity and should be enslaved?

We just don't know where you would draw the lines here fat boy.  Obviously you only care about racism in the white world, but everyone's a little bit racist.

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anon user #2.1
#36 2019-08-07 22:07:21

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

time is the master wrote:

this thread is stupud - at will employment means the employee or employer can just walk away - if the employee wants to sue the employer because they feel that they have been discriminated against then they should go for it - companies like google are already firing people that dont fit in to their culture - companies can go right ahead and do that and will pay the consequences - if the OP wants to go start some gestapo like company that practices radical ideology as company practice then he should go for it

sadpineapple

Nobody owes you a living, racist.

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Phillip_McCavity
#37 2019-08-07 22:19:46

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Its a common Libertarian argument that there shouldn't be any protection for racial discrimination, because a shopkeeper who won't let dark skinned people in their store, as an example, will just get less business because of it. Additionally, public scorn could also motivate.

I don't buy this argument, but I have heard it expressed.

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Sockpuppet
#38 2019-08-08 00:39:08

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

BritneySpearsPussy wrote:

What about those black folks who hate anyone of a darker shade than they are?  (See Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" to see an almost dictionary definition of racism in the black community.)  Are they racist?  Or how about German jews who consider themselves much more cultured and superior than the shtetl jews of Eastern Europe?  Or those Japanese who think that Koreans are a much lower form of humanity and should be enslaved?

We just don't know where you would draw the lines here fat boy.  Obviously you only care about racism in the white world, but everyone's a little bit racist.

I am perfectly okay with terminating for all racist speech.

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BritneySpearsPussy
#39 2019-08-14 03:06:31

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Like your opinion matters.

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Throbbing Justice
#40 2019-08-14 03:12:58

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Sockpuppet wrote:

This could be one advantage of at-will employment.

Since, in most states, an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason at all, an approach to ending racism could be to fire anybody who does anything even remotely racist. That would include both words and actions. And it would include racist acts both in the workplace or outside of work in private life. Post a racist meme on a message board? Fired. Make a racist joke at happy hour? Fired. Go to a white nationalist rally? Fired.

This would basically introduce a free-market economic incentive to not be a racist.

What's the incentive for employers to fire otherwise qualified people, take on the risk of lawsuits, and eat the cost of hiring and training replacements?  They gain nothing to the bottom line.  Companies want to proclaim they have zero tolerance for racism, they don't want the cost of actually implementing it.

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Sockpuppet
#41 2019-08-14 03:25:04

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Throbbing Justice wrote:

What's the incentive for employers to fire otherwise qualified people, take on the risk of lawsuits, and eat the cost of hiring and training replacements?  They gain nothing to the bottom line.  Companies want to proclaim they have zero tolerance for racism, they don't want the cost of actually implementing it.

It will increase revenue for the companies that do it. As critical mass is reached it will be a major negative to not have such a policy.

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Universal_Asshole
#42 2019-08-14 03:30:11

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Sockpuppet wrote:

This could be one advantage of at-will employment.

Since, in most states, an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason at all, an approach to ending racism could be to fire anybody who does anything even remotely racist. That would include both words and actions. And it would include racist acts both in the workplace or outside of work in private life. Post a racist meme on a message board? Fired. Make a racist joke at happy hour? Fired. Go to a white nationalist rally? Fired.

This would basically introduce a free-market economic incentive to not be a racist.

Most if the larger employers have harassment policies banning racist and sex-based harassment.

Next!

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Throbbing Justice
#43 2019-08-14 03:36:46

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Sockpuppet wrote:

It will increase revenue for the companies that do it. As critical mass is reached it will be a major negative to not have such a policy.

I don't buy it.  Every company has a policy like that already.  They don't apply it unless they have to.  And it's not like people are going to keep track of internal conditions at hundreds of different companies they buy from.  Do you know how strictly they enforce policy against internal racism at Nabisco, or Toyota, or GoDaddy?  Neither do I. 

If there were a critical mass then maybe, but that rarely happens without government regulation.  Until then, it's only added costs and risks for companies that do it, and zero increased revenue.

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IrishTroll
#44 2019-08-14 03:42:03

Re: Does the elimination of racism begin with private employers having a zero tolerance policy for racist employees?

Sockpuppet wrote:

This could be one advantage of at-will employment.

Since, in most states, an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason at all, an approach to ending racism could be to fire anybody who does anything even remotely racist. That would include both words and actions. And it would include racist acts both in the workplace or outside of work in private life. Post a racist meme on a message board? Fired. Make a racist joke at happy hour? Fired. Go to a white nationalist rally? Fired.

This would basically introduce a free-market economic incentive to not be a racist.

Is this the problem? Assholes posting here have NEVER worked for private companies?

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