> Based n a mix of both monetary and artistic success , who would you say the greatest record producer is

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#26 2012-09-15 03:27:14

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Dre and Eminem and 50-Cent all worked the system pretty hard.  Dre was signed to Iovine.  He started a label under Jimmy and signed Eminem.  Then Eminem started a label under Dre and signed 50.  Then 50 started a label under Em and signed G-Unit.  So any time 50 releases an album, Dre and Em get a piece.

Which is why they're smart. Rap dudes make no bones about it, they want the cash, and as much as possible, and they get it - rock and pop artists are easier to dupe and dazzle and signed up to shytty contracts and end up owing the label more money than they earn. It's like any other business, the top guys didn't get to the top by being stupid.

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#27 2012-09-15 03:29:48

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Or Hammer.

Or Joyce Dewitt, or a whole lot of celebrities.

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#28 2012-09-15 03:32:12

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Which is why they're smart. Rap dudes make no bones about it, they want the cash, and as much as possible, and they get it - rock and pop artists are easier to dupe and dazzle and signed up to shytty contracts and end up owing the label more money than they earn. It's like any other business, the top guys didn't get to the top by being stupid.

This.

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#29 2012-09-15 03:32:30

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Jay-Z is worth hundreds of millions.  Aside from that, great points.  Idiot.

So is Russell Simmons. They both branched out from music and invested their rap money in bigger things. Jay Z works for Budweiser, for fuq's sake.

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#30 2012-09-15 03:37:23

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So is Russell Simmons. They both branched out from music and invested their rap money in bigger things. Jay Z works for Budweiser, for fuq's sake.

I don't know those guys, but I'm not really buying that Rap artists are just more savvy and street smart than the rest. Though as a later emerging genre they did have some examples to learn from.

I think you're all just gettin' on the down low here.

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#31 2012-09-15 03:52:48

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Richard D. James

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#32 2012-09-15 04:07:53

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I don't know those guys, but I'm not really buying that Rap artists are just more savvy and street smart than the rest. Though as a later emerging genre they did have some examples to learn from.

I think you're all just gettin' on the down low here.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/riches … net-worth/

Jay-Z is a rapper, songwriter and businessman, with a net worth of $475 million. Jay-Z has earned his net worth through his career in the music industry, beginning as co-founder (with Damon Dash and Kareem Biggs) of Roc-A-Fella records, where he began his recording career. In 1996, released his first album, Reasonable Doubt, with Priority Records. It ranked 248 on Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Albums of all Time. After that, he signed with Def Jam and released his next album, “In My Lifetime, Volume 1.” This album had much to do with Jay-Z’s life in his earlier years. It won platinum status. A year later, he released “Volume 2, Hard Knock Life,” which has sold over five million copies and is five times platinum. With continued success, Jay-Z’s net worth is expected to reach $1 billion or more within his lifetime. A truly incredible achievement for any celebrity.

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#33 2012-09-15 04:28:12

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http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/richest-rappers/jay-z-net-worth/

Jay-Z is a rapper, songwriter and businessman, with a net worth of $475 million. Jay-Z has earned his net worth through his career in the music industry, beginning as co-founder (with Damon Dash and Kareem Biggs) of Roc-A-Fella records, where he began his recording career. In 1996, released his first album, Reasonable Doubt, with Priority Records. It ranked 248 on Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Albums of all Time. After that, he signed with Def Jam and released his next album, “In My Lifetime, Volume 1.” This album had much to do with Jay-Z’s life in his earlier years. It won platinum status. A year later, he released “Volume 2, Hard Knock Life,” which has sold over five million copies and is five times platinum. With continued success, Jay-Z’s net worth is expected to reach $1 billion or more within his lifetime. A truly incredible achievement for any celebrity.

Not buying it, sorry.

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#34 2012-09-15 04:33:14

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Steve Lillywhite

Hasn't worked on a U2 album since the mid 80s.

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#35 2012-09-15 14:32:19

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Which is why they're smart. Rap dudes make no bones about it, they want the cash, and as much as possible, and they get it - rock and pop artists are easier to dupe and dazzle and signed up to shytty contracts and end up owing the label more money than they earn. It's like any other business, the top guys didn't get to the top by being stupid.

Insightful.

It's a winner take all thing tho. Dre is savvy. M.C. Hammer, not so much.

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#36 2012-09-15 14:34:20

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Insightful.

It's a winner take all thing tho. Dre is savvy. M.C. Hammer, not so much.

Wrong
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#37 2012-09-15 14:35:17

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Wrong
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Hammer did become a FC meme, so he's got that going for him.

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chas
#38 2012-09-15 14:40:22

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Chet Atkins

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Ron_Santo_Redux
#39 2012-09-15 14:44:51

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Hasn't worked on a U2 album since the mid 80s.

He worked on All That You Can't Leave Behind 2001

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#40 2012-09-15 16:08:24

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Todd Rundgren did all right.

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#41 2012-09-15 17:52:15

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Todd Rundgren did all right.

I was going to suggest Rundgren, but I think he did better from 3 hit songs than anything else. Most of the bands he produced flopped. Though maybe he did bad company or something I forget.

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#42 2012-09-15 17:53:30

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I was going to suggest Rundgren, but I think he did better from 3 hit songs than anything else. Most of the bands he produced flopped. Though maybe he did bad company or something I forget.

Yeah, Grand Fuq and Meatloaf were BIG flops

Also, finally coaxed a huge hit out of XTC.

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#43 2012-09-15 17:56:21

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I was going to suggest Rundgren, but I think he did better from 3 hit songs than anything else. Most of the bands he produced flopped. Though maybe he did bad company or something I forget.

Rundgren made 99% of his fortune (which he has subsequently surrendered to the IRS) from producing "Bat Out of Hell", still among the best selling records ever.

Has Quincy Jones not been mentioned here?

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#44 2012-09-15 17:59:54

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Rundgren made 99% of his fortune (which he has subsequently surrendered to the IRS) from producing "Bat Out of Hell", still among the best selling records ever.

Has Quincy Jones not been mentioned here?

ok my bad, I didn't realize he did meatloaf. BOOH, is does have his sound form that period now that I think of it.

I mentioned Quincy, and Rubin initially.

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#45 2012-09-15 18:01:39

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ok my bad, I didn't realize he did meatloaf. BOOH, is does have his sound form that period now that I think of it.

Naturally, Utopia played almost all the music on it!

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#46 2012-09-15 18:02:48

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Naturally, Utopia played almost all the music on it!

did not know that, I'm a big fan of todd.

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#47 2012-09-15 18:03:39

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Naturally, Utopia played almost all the music on it!

I was thinking of piss aron, something/anything phase the overall timbre, but I'm not up on the exact dates.

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clamtard
#48 2012-09-15 18:04:15

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Jimmy Page


EOT

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#49 2012-09-15 18:05:56

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did not know that, I'm a big fan of todd.

I have seen him about 25 times in the last 30 years.  Unfortunately, he is putting on a LOT of duff shows anymore.  He is 64 but still HAS TO tour like crazy to avoid his home in Hawaii being foreclosed.  The guy has been in showbiz for 45 years and will not be leaving his 3 kids a pot to piss in.  It is sad, but not sad enough for me to travel to see him like I used to.

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#50 2012-09-15 18:08:01

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I have seen him about 25 times in the last 30 years.  Unfortunately, he is putting on a LOT of duff shows anymore.  He is 64 but still HAS TO tour like crazy to avoid his home in Hawaii being foreclosed.  The guy has been in showbiz for 45 years and will not be leaving his 3 kids a pot to piss in.  It is sad, but not sad enough for me to travel to see him like I used to.

Did you see him at the RRHOF? I think they did A wizard a true star.

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