> I get a kick out of how dumb anti-immigration working class baggers are.

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anon user #2.1
#26 2019-03-15 03:17:01

Re: I get a kick out of how dumb anti-immigration working class baggers are.

Phillip_McCavity wrote:

I want to talk about the future of work, but that is a topic for a different thread, maybe I'll start one about that. Its fascinating.

Anyway, just for fun I started looking at jobs at John Deere. This one in particular is interesting. Its a welding job, but its not like what your Dad applied for. Look at the skills required.

https://jobs.deere.com/job/Ottumwa-Weld … 542633300/

Deere has been building factories in Mexico since 1950, so its not a new thing. What has changed is where their products sell, and how much labor of what kind is needed to produce them. Union rules may not permit them to simply retool and rehire a midwestern plant. Rising demand in other countries might make building equipment close to customers make more sense.

The fact is, to run a factory like in the 1960s with the same jobs would not be possible today. The amount of hand labor would not only be expensive, but humans cannot make things at the same tolerance machines can.

That is one of the reasons why car engines need a tune up every 100,000 miles as opposed to every 30,000 miles. The manufacturing tolerances and materials are just that much better.

Well my father worked at John Deere as a welder, yes.  But he retired from there and has an excellent retirement package with benefits thanks to the union (UAW).  My stepfather worked for MAytag at the Galesburg, IL plant.

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editoria … 62518.html

There’s a huge concrete slab that used to be called Appliance City in Galesburg, Ill., not so far from where Abraham Lincoln grew up on the Sangamon River. It’s where a Maytag factory used to be.

That Maytag factory is now in Reynosa, Mexico.

Grass grows between the fractured concrete. Rubble mixed with rebar is everywhere; the fixtures are gone. Not so much as a bolt or piece of conduit remains. Everything is gone, along with all the jobs provided when a manufacturing complex once bustled there.

Maytag made refrigerators in Galesburg. At its peak, the plant employed 5,000 people, making it the largest employer in a town of 33,000. By the time Maytag finally shuttered the factory in 2004, the remaining 1,600 workers were laid off with about a year’s notice.
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They’re not working for Maytag in Mexico. Mostly, they stayed. Some got jobs with the railroad, or at Caterpillar over in Peoria, where they were also laying people off as recently as a few weeks ago.

The largest employers in Galesburg now are the hospital and the BNSF railroad.

If you want a house, you can get a great one for probably $80,000. Throw in Knox College, Wal-Mart, some retail and restaurants, and that’s about the employment picture in a nutshell.

The Democratic Party used to champion people who worked at Maytag. Now, they pay these people lip service.

President Barack Obama returned to Galesburg more than once, citing it as an example of what we need to fix. He carried the Blue Wall states of Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan and Wisconsin in both his presidential elections.

You hear about lots of other issues in the echo chamber that has become the Democratic Party. Democrats are for good things: civil rights for all, climate change, and so on.

But they just lost the presidency because they basically didn’t bother to champion the people who are now staring at the large, cold slab of concrete in Galesburg.

There will be lots of analysis about why Hillary Clinton lost her run for the presidency. She is a good woman with good intentions, and has served her country well.

But she never quite got around to visiting a lot of places like Galesburg. Or Racine, Wis., or Detroit either, until it was too late. When a Democrat goes to Wayne County, Mich., in November, something is terribly, terribly wrong.

These are devastated cities in the Blue Wall states. That wall crumbled on Tuesday, when Donald Trump picked up the pieces.

A new book traces the aftermath of the Maytag factory closing in Galesburg.

Boom, Bust, Exodus started for me on October 11, 2002. On that morning, Maytag stunned Galesburg, Illinois, when it announced that it would close its enormous refrigerator factory there and move production to a maquiladora (export-oriented factory) in Reynosa, Mexico. There was profound sadness, fear and anger in Galesburg, and some said the city of 33,000 would die—that it would become a ghost town.

I had just moved to Galesburg in 2001 to join the faculty at Knox College. I grew up in a small town in Indiana, but not a factory town like Galesburg. I wanted to understand what was happening around me, and how Galesburg—its workers, its families, the community—would fare in the aftermath of the factory shuttering.

For a century, manufacturing on Galesburg’s southwestern edge had anchored the local economy. In 1905, men began to hammer out steel plowing discs in a two-story brick workshop. In the early 1970s, industrial Galesburg’s heyday, a sprawling patchwork of buildings on that same spot—called “Appliance City” by some—buzzed with nearly 5,000 workers, producing some half a million refrigerators and freezers a year. Dave Bevard, a longtime worker at the factory, remembers his first day in 1973 when he walked into a disorienting buzz of activity: speeding forklifts, the clanging of metal presses, and armies of women doing nimble-fingered piecework at the parts tables.

Today, over a decade after closing, the former Appliance City site—the size of more than 40 football fields packed together—is mostly rubble and weeds. Looking at it now, it’s hard to imagine this place once meant so much to so many for so long. Yet it’s important that we do not forget.

That closing—and so many others like it—helps to explain our economic predicament today. The manufacturing jobs lost when the Maytag factory shuttered in 2004 were a couple thousand of the 5.8 million jobs lost in the 2000s. Illinois lost 37 percent of its manufacturing jobs, most of them before the Great Recession, a devastating blow to the state’s middle-class families.

https://peoriamagazines.com/ibi/2015/ma … ter-maytag

My stepdad was lucky too though.  He retired from Maytag just in time.  Right before they closed.  Anyway read the last paragraph from the quote above.

"Illinois lost 37 percent of its manufacturing jobs"

Can you fathom the impact that had on the middle class there?


anon user #2.1
#27 2019-03-15 03:37:39

Re: I get a kick out of how dumb anti-immigration working class baggers are.

Workers losing their $15 an hour jobs in Galesburg have a surprising empathy for the Mexican maquiladora workers who would be doing the same work for roughly one-sixth the wage. “The only people being done more a disservice than the people in Galesburg are the people who are going to have our jobs,” Kemp says, sitting around the union hall before the shutdown occurred. “They’re the only ones more exploited. It shouldn’t be American workers against Chinese or Mexican workers, but working people against greed.”

“We represent 1,600 in the Galesburg plant, but as a union representative, I feel I’m representing all workers everywhere and try to speak for all those workers,” union vice-president Doug Dennison says. “This is so much bigger than a union issue. It’s almost accepted what’s happening in Galesburg is OK, that it’s OK to do that.”

“It’s exploitation of the many for the benefit of the few,” says Kemp. “Sometimes there’s a fine line between what’s legal and what’s right.”

“Morality,” Dennison adds. They clearly think that is missing, as well as their power to do much about their situation. While most workers blamed “corporate greed” for the plant closing, they also blamed the government for enabling or encouraging that greed. And among an otherwise strongly Democratic crowd, people remember that it was Bill Clinton who pushed through NAFTA. “People in both parties are allowing this to happen,” Toby Ladendorf laments on closing day. “Who’s going to defend us?”

http://inthesetimes.com/article/1790/ma … _to_mexico


anon user #2.1
#28 2019-03-15 03:41:45

Re: I get a kick out of how dumb anti-immigration working class baggers are.



Where was Trump when Sanders was saying this?  Snorting coke off of some hooker's tits with his daddy's landlord money?

You people are being played for fools.


#29 2019-03-15 04:08:51

Re: I get a kick out of how dumb anti-immigration working class baggers are.

anon user #2.1 wrote:

Honestly now.  All bullshyt partisan politics aside:

Imagine what the U.S. would be like now if most of the manufacturing jobs weren't outsourced to Mexico and China 10-20 years ago.  All of those jobs paid a living wage and then some.  Almost all of them are gone now.  Yes, Bill Clinton signed NAFTA.  But also the billionaires YOU SUPPORT are the same people who owned those damn factories and SOLD YOU AND I OUT.

1. Not all of the billionaires  are GOP baggers.

2. There us a last ditch solution but you're the dimwit  who wants to make billionaire insurance bastards richer with gun insurance.


Tall Bass Turd
#30 2019-03-15 09:55:01

Re: I get a kick out of how dumb anti-immigration working class baggers are.

Universal_Asshole wrote:

1. Not all of the billionaires  are GOP baggers.

2. There us a last ditch solution but you're the dimwit  who wants to make billionaire insurance bastards richer with gun insurance.

The deep end that AU2 is falling off is getting deeper.


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